tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post4094063597526347594..comments2024-01-23T04:05:39.851-06:00Comments on Plastic Legions: Uneasy TruceJPLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-51292272599485076332011-01-06T10:33:07.456-06:002011-01-06T10:33:07.456-06:006 months down the road I’m still of two minds abou...6 months down the road I’m still of two minds about 8th; Most of the time (when I’m not playing vs skaven) its fun. My dwarves got a huge boost. I do miss my BS core shooters being a viable option, but that new ‘workings’ of the game means I don’t have to apologies for taking 2 Organ Guns and 2 Stone Throwers, and my 7th ed style of running 3-4 dwarf blocks is paying off in spades. In short I’m doing very well with this army…all my struggling againt 7th ed power armies has been rewarded.<br /><br />I think you hit on the bigger issue in your first couple of lines there: My planned Lizardmen build got squashed by army percentages, ok, move on I can still make them work but there is really only varieties of one build that seems to work. I don't have the models to make my Daemons work in the new environment, investing in a ton of metal Plaguebearers a couple months before 8th release, was in retrospect- idiocy and I am not particulary interested in investing a ton more time and money into them.<br /><br />My O&G army was all fast for 7th ed competiveness. Chariots, small units of wolf ridering, savage boar boys, Lord on a wyvern and a few small NG blocks with a fanatics. It was all fast, hit and run, then pound you in the face, make or break army.<br />The army is now useless. Fanatics can’t really move on the board, chariot and cav take dangerious terrain constantly, and of course, 4 out of 6 Savage boar boys will be dead before they get to strike.<br />The only thing that saved me from selling this army was the vast amount of NG I’d had sitting around for a failed 7th ed idea of all ALL goblin force.<br />Yes I’ve had a few REALLY fun games with this army in 8th, but competative? No way.<br /><br />To the point: My Dwarves were ready for 8th because they ARE an infantry army, I didn’t play gunline in 7th, and I over bought early on.<br />Greenies: I don’t want to drop 300$+ retail to make them playable…<br /><br />And I think a lot of people are in the same boat. I’ve seen the looks on a lot of noobs faces when there Knights of Chaos, just bounce off of a dwarf warrior block. It’s just sad. 7th ed pointage, meetns 8th ed play style. Its one thing to spend 30$ and know you’ve just bought 15% of your army, then quite another when you realized they aren’t playable and you must spend another 70$ to get ‘good’ unit.<br />I think it’s a rebuilding year for a lot of people, and I think a lot of people are waiting for GW to drop a few army books out…I just hope its worth waiting for.<br /><br />VP: yeah. I don’t understand why tournies are throwing the ‘fleeing units’ rule out the window.Lord Azaghulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027594431581603508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-35542205582376076072011-01-06T09:55:03.721-06:002011-01-06T09:55:03.721-06:00" I have yet to personally see it happen"..." I have yet to personally see it happen"..this seems off to me bill<br />perhaps I am the hard luck kid here<br />but its happens to me every other game including 3 of 5 games at core comp, most recently my last 3 Club Night games. basically its comes down luck whether you can finish off the last couple models in a big units, a couple games of losing because 3 late game fleeing units kept 900 points on the board or you left a couple models in 30-50 man horde and I think you'll feel the frustration..sure the first reaction is you need to figure out "how to deal with it", and I did that pre planning for it (taking Pistoliers or a unit of Cav and hiding them until turn 5, for such specific purposes) eventually I came to the conclusion doing so was still often pointless (dice) and just "not fun" and an absurd design flaw in the context of a "wargame"<br />When you play other games with much better rules (FoW comes to mind as a recent example)<br />its much easier to see the forest thru the trees.JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-74554916311891227882011-01-06T09:11:34.966-06:002011-01-06T09:11:34.966-06:00The other key thing about the new victory point sy...The other key thing about the new victory point system is the much, much closer division between wins and losses- the old rules that gave points for fleeing models also required a larger margin of victory. I have found that with the smaller margins, unless the enemy is fleeing largely untouched (as used to be the case with some Vampire Counts forces that relied on the old Fear rules), destroying a couple of units will generate enough points to cover the margin. Yes, there are weird situations where one guy out of a giant regiment survives, even without being run down, but I have yet to personally see it actually happen- WHFB is not terribly kind to fleeing troops unless there is an imbalance like cav fleeing from infantry, or Skaven fleeing from Dwarfs.Conspyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14135525348326754627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-43677312546096656562011-01-05T19:58:57.873-06:002011-01-05T19:58:57.873-06:00Very well said. I have played a few tournament ma...Very well said. I have played a few tournament matches where tabletop objectives determined (along with VP) who won each game. I think this balanced out issues over comp between the various army books.<br /><br />I think over time you will start to see alot of tournament organisers make serious modifications to how they are organised. The old 20pt scoring system based on VP e.g., 15-5 for winning by x number of VP will be replaced. <br /><br />Basing tournaments around scenarios also alters how people build their lists, e.g. there are some for which the Empire steam tank becomes a massive liability.Bloomfield Cricket Clubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17638828532075913255noreply@blogger.com