tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post4929831931684821327..comments2024-01-23T04:05:39.851-06:00Comments on Plastic Legions: A better business modelJPLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-8418749683705728042011-05-29T13:04:40.007-05:002011-05-29T13:04:40.007-05:00John,
I read Plastic Legions regularly (my buddy...John, <br /><br />I read Plastic Legions regularly (my buddy Nate, who I believe has played in one of your WFB campaigns, turned me on to it)....<br />I am glad to see you have taken up Warmachine!<br />I have been playing Warmachine/Hordes for about 5 years, and in that time have been very happy with the strides Privateer Press have made to please their customers.<br />The player base in the Chicagoland area is growing at a steady rate, and for good reason. <br /><br />Hopefully I will run into you sometime and chat Warmachine!<br /><br />-Mikemichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154752280275717978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-62479911130342537622011-05-01T11:04:27.722-05:002011-05-01T11:04:27.722-05:00Hey Thomas
At this point I havent played a game ye...Hey Thomas<br />At this point I havent played a game yet, so I may following suit with you I have no idea. This episode is mainly about PP's inadvertently winning me over at Adepticon by looking like they care about who their customers and making a effort to get new ones, which at the current juncture, is the complete antithesis of GW, A Friendlier marketing face is sometimes all it takes to change peoples positions, gamers are a fickle lot!JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-9156587512736974042011-05-01T09:47:39.718-05:002011-05-01T09:47:39.718-05:00I feel similar to Long Island Wargamers & xeni...I feel similar to Long Island Wargamers & xenite. I tried WM & Hordes but it didn't hold my attention for a number of reasons, many of which have already been mentioned above. <br /><br />Also, think that PP's business (and gaming) model isn't that different than GW, it's just got a slightly friendlier marketing face at the moment. I don't understand why people claiming to be looking for something different than GW have been attracted to a company that is more or less emulating GW.<br /><br />On the other hand, they do have some really nice figures. Some of my favorite figures I've painted in the past few years have been my Cryx battle group.ZeroTwentythreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00382747835221715170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-26703481799802249952011-04-30T13:47:05.369-05:002011-04-30T13:47:05.369-05:00Jim
I am right there with you man, good attitude.....Jim<br />I am right there with you man, good attitude..please stop by more often!JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-45752566019544566212011-04-30T10:49:51.721-05:002011-04-30T10:49:51.721-05:00John,
Glad you enjoyed the blog and forums. My c...John, <br /><br />Glad you enjoyed the blog and forums. My comment about exclusivity wasn't directed at you but at the general fanboy fanaticism that tends to crop up in threads like this. <br /><br />GW is what it is, Privateer is what it is. Take and or leave both. GW doesn't run their company in the way I would chose but I didn't ditch my Imperial Guard. I took a break, tried a new game and was wonderfully surprised. I would encourage others to take the same attitude.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121865265433453072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-65184660544901805612011-04-30T10:29:42.484-05:002011-04-30T10:29:42.484-05:00Hi Jim
Not sure where you're getting the excl...Hi Jim<br /><br />Not sure where you're getting the exclusive thing..myself and the guys I know here all probably play a half dozen systems each. My point was, as GW's continues its patterns of distancing itself from its customers, I in turn find myself playing less and less GW, but with basement full of Citadel Figures I dont think I'm abandoning GW anytime soon.<br />The last place I thought I get dragged into a Non-GW game was Adepticon! Chalk this one up to good public relations.<br /><br />Thanks much for the leads on WM good hobby blogs! I just signed up for the forums..I'll look for ya.JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-2110656475692091582011-04-30T10:00:30.452-05:002011-04-30T10:00:30.452-05:00First of all, as a 40k player that picked up Warma...First of all, as a 40k player that picked up Warmachine a year ago, let me point out that the games aren't exclusive. I still enjoy both very much and while I don't hate GW, I have found a lot to like from PP. Play what's fun and don't be bothered by loyalty to companies that don't know you exist. <br /><br />As for the hobby side, I doubt that the ratio of painters to gamers is any less for PP than it is for GW. PP just has a much smaller player base so there just aren't that many painters. <br /><br />Someone asked for decent PP hobby blogs and I whole-heartedly recommend:<br /><br />www.losthemisphere.com<br /><br />Go look at CaptainSpud's posts in particular. <br /><br />As for the PP forums, come to the mercenary community. We're a pretty relaxed bunch. If you drop by, look me up. I'm MOZZ over there.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07121865265433453072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-20897334830509951522011-04-30T05:04:59.259-05:002011-04-30T05:04:59.259-05:00Very true...I think GW does get the impression tha...Very true...I think GW does get the impression that it is indestructable. And maybe justifyable on previous experience...but nothing is forever,and there are lots of worthy manufacturers on thier tail. I too am getting fed up with the constant rule change that implies you need to purchase more figs just to keep in the game...I dont play WFB 8th now because of that..but still like 40K. Let's see what 6th ed 40K does in a year or so!DaveWilkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04814670141477353775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-37814882392431889222011-04-29T15:22:49.941-05:002011-04-29T15:22:49.941-05:00Thanks for the kind words felix.
other than being...Thanks for the kind words felix.<br /><br />other than being an unapologetic hobby snob. the hobby quotient of the game is a key factor for me in any games enjoyment.it has been since I was painting grenadier D&D figs in the 1980's<br />while PP seems to lag behind in comparison with the GW player base<br />I have seen some really good stuff, I'd just like to see (or be pointed at) personally I dont play with unpainted models other than learning a game, or something so such an epic paint job I just have gotten to it yet (like my Saxon WAB horde) Fortunately for me the crew of people from IWFB.org or dipping there toe in the water at moment all have serious hobby chops and its a good for you guys as Press Gangers to get involved once they all start playing, maybe host some type of event for new players event sometime this summer anyway..you guys should email me if we want to talk more..I need to actually play a game first..LOL!JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-27881581411811943192011-04-29T14:59:20.416-05:002011-04-29T14:59:20.416-05:00Travis,
I'm a community leader with maybe 2-3...Travis,<br /><br />I'm a community leader with maybe 2-3 regular weekly participants. One of the things I have not succeeded at doing is convince players to learn to paint or to spend time painting. Everyone I know who currently does so has learned on their own initiative. I try to sweeten the pot with prizes and facebook taunts, but in the end all these guys already knew what they were doing before I got there.<br /><br />John would probably function far better as a Press Ganger than I do. I look to him as an example of what a promoter and volunteer should be capable of doing. If Fantasy had a volunteer promoter, I think John would be one of the Warhammer Fantasy Press Ganger kings. <br /><br />Hobby side, I think John's looking for some of the better hobby related blogs out there to see what veteran Warmachine hobbyists are capable of. My guess is he's looking for inspirational pieces to motivate and learn from and expand his already existing techniques.Felix Flautahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00645999988674441594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-88609702761451511532011-04-29T13:45:13.079-05:002011-04-29T13:45:13.079-05:00Welcome to the Iron Kingdoms. I'm one of the ...Welcome to the Iron Kingdoms. I'm one of the Press Gangers that Felix mentioned in his post.<br /><br />One of the first things to remember is that your warcaster/warlock is the most important piece on the table. They are your King and Queen piece. If they die, the game is over, just like if you lose the King in Chess.<br /><br />What kind of information are you looking for on the Hobby side of things?<br /><br />@LIW, if you follow the Terms of Service, the forums aren't bad at all. There is the same problems with internet think-tanking that every community driven website in the world has. Take it with a grain of salt, and use your own head. It doesn't work to blindly follow what someone else said on the internet (well, cause they are wrong, duh! :) )<br /><br />I hope to see you sometime John when I come to another of Felix's events. He's one hell of a community leader down there (working with Michael and Aaron).DarkLegacyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14270425975502922695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-68172408341534619672011-04-29T13:22:30.153-05:002011-04-29T13:22:30.153-05:00I think thats pretty much the point Aaron. sometim...I think thats pretty much the point Aaron. sometimes you need a "chess game" and sometime you need a "game of craps"...as you know I'm feeling WFB has become a "craps game" but it also has the social fun of a good crap game, and thats still a big draw<br />to me. But it might be time we invest some money in a good "game of chess" and maybe WM/H is it, until we finally just give up and just put on a sweater and start playing chess in the park! LOLJPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-44939922003442412312011-04-29T12:40:26.982-05:002011-04-29T12:40:26.982-05:00I've gone on about this before... I love WM/H,...I've gone on about this before... I love WM/H, but it has a weird feel, kind of like a sporting match, or video game rather than a 'battle' for some reason. It is hard to get a feel for a story in the game while you are playing it. On the creative side, there isn't as much you can do when it comes to conversions, modeling, or creating your own characters as in other games. This is a big minus for me with WM. Its a fantastic system, and I really like coming up with interesting combos of units/casters/abilities but it really doesn't scratch the itch for me when it comes to gaming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-3499900892307215452011-04-29T12:07:36.212-05:002011-04-29T12:07:36.212-05:00As you said, it's passe to jump all over GW fo...As you said, it's passe to jump all over GW for being GW. But seriously, they are the Microsoft/Starbucks of the gaming world.<br /><br />You are absolutely right in that GW's lackadaisical attitude towards its customer base drives away experienced (and more wealthy) gamers. My friends and I abandoned WFB for a fantasy version of PIQUET years ago. That said, GW seems to replace those losses with never ending streams of youngsters, so I guess the business model works. <br /><br />Will a business with enough capital like PP be able to make a real dent in GW's market share? I'm hopeful but not optimistic. In any case, GW does make some lovely undead figures. I just have to go without a few meals so I can afford those new Tomb King Necrosphinxi!!! <br /><br /><a href="http://arsmortis.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Ars Mortis</a>Joshua Rosenblumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09766645350667925676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-10396093621884008292011-04-29T08:56:08.611-05:002011-04-29T08:56:08.611-05:00@LIG yeah the uber WAAC mentality and general lowe...@LIG yeah the uber WAAC mentality and general lower hobby content across the blogs compared to GW is definitely a low point for me. However since I'm not interested in the fluff and just it "as a game" will really be about "who" i play with and there is seems to be a stellar group of people around here dipping their tow in.<br /><br />GW has really just ceased caring about its customers, and at least PP looks like they are "trying" to get some new ones..that's enough for an intro from me...thanks for the heads up on the forums, <br /><br />Does anyone remember the old GW forums?? and how they were so unbelievably bad (toxic) they had to be shut down?<br />In retrospect its was probably because they could not find anyone mod that circus for free! LOL<br /><br /><br />@JP agreed definitely not cheap. but unlike GW you need alot less of it, it pretty obvious there is system is setup so you have to buy a ton of stuff..50 point tourneys<br />with two separate lists and they foray in "apocalypse" territory with there new rules coming out.JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-62557637378450036912011-04-29T08:23:07.714-05:002011-04-29T08:23:07.714-05:00I was pretty floored when I heard about the starte...I was pretty floored when I heard about the starter boxes given away at Adepticon. Brilliant move.<br /><br />I could tell you were a convert when you wrote "..we've got undead Pirates." *we*<br /><br />Personally I find small games of WM/H very satisfying for lunch hour antics about once a week. 5-10 models makes a 15 point list, and the lists can vary wildly even within the same faction.Mike Howellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00119045198858883590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-71721848160110433412011-04-29T05:08:05.703-05:002011-04-29T05:08:05.703-05:00As bad as GW is, I really think Privateer Press is...As bad as GW is, I really think Privateer Press is worse. Their customer service is terrible and they foster a "win at all cost" mentality. Look at their forums - their mods are the biggest jerks going.<br /><br />Either way - good luck with your new army!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-32428106444594302572011-04-29T01:21:24.054-05:002011-04-29T01:21:24.054-05:00Okay, the reason I let my blog list kind of founde...Okay, the reason I let my blog list kind of founder is because I mostly read a Warmachine related network rather than update links to any specific blogs.<br /><br />http://blog.ironagenda.com/Felix Flautahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00645999988674441594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-10392841714997897372011-04-29T01:17:45.109-05:002011-04-29T01:17:45.109-05:00The PG Finder isn't really good.
Here is whe...The PG Finder isn't really good. <br /><br />Here is where we are:<br /><br />Grayslake<br />Mt. Prospect<br />Dekalb<br />Bloomington Normal<br />Chicago (two of us)<br /><br />I'll update the bloglist. It's something of a mess.Felix Flautahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00645999988674441594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-24963029767142732092011-04-28T23:03:43.048-05:002011-04-28T23:03:43.048-05:00Felix,
That's cool are there Warmachine Hobb...Felix, <br /><br />That's cool are there Warmachine Hobby Blogs from the area or even mid west with good hobby content?<br />I cant seem to find any and alot of the blogs on your site are non operational or deadlink.<br /><br />Yeah I know who Miljan is, dont realy know him thou..also I checked the area on the PP site and there are only two listed Press Gangers you and another guy, good to see there are more, anyway a bunch of guys with serious hobby chops over at IWFB are getting into it..so you should start seeing alot more cool local stuff on the hobby front if they do.<br /><br />Let me know when you want to come over and beat up on me.JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-26518186935678416302011-04-28T22:03:03.779-05:002011-04-28T22:03:03.779-05:00John,
I'm still waiting for my Wood Elves boo...John,<br /><br />I'm still waiting for my Wood Elves book to try Fantasy again. The collection has to grow anyway, because man, Treekin models are fugly. I'll probably get a ton of Bear type models and just use them.<br /><br />As far as Warmachine is concerned, there are definitely players who hobby. It's just not a given that players will be interested in the hobby aspect. You'll see them around.<br /><br />Guys like Miljan Otovic, Aaron Marra, Jeremy Patterson, Travis Marg, Ben Lang, Scott Saxondog (yeah, I don't know his real last name for some reason), Jim Skrulnik (again, blanking on the last name), Mike Plummer, Chuck Ocenasak. Of these names, you'd probably only ever heard of Miljan in the 40k and Fantasy circles at all (I think). All these guys bring different things to the hobby side of things. It's no surprise that many of those guys are Press Gangers as well. <br /><br />However, there are definitely players who are really good at the game who do not hobby. And I think one of the things they're doing instead of painting is getting more games in. Practice in Warmachine really does help in your performance. <br /><br />Well, maybe not for me. I'm kind of stubborn about my gameplay.<br /><br />Let me know if you have any questions.Felix Flautahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00645999988674441594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-52050896522186895432011-04-28T18:46:07.559-05:002011-04-28T18:46:07.559-05:00John,
Nice post, I love some of the models for WM...John,<br /><br />Nice post, I love some of the models for WM/Hrds and have been watching the game for years. I have only played the first edition rules and found it rather boring. In fact last night one of my game buddies here (Mike of Da Green Skins Blog) was trying to sell me on the new version of the game.<br /><br />In fact here in Phoenix, WM/Hrds seems to have taken over. So thanks to your post and Mikes hounding, I may take a second look at this game.Tim Kulinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15556960285841667223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-36434455198988987342011-04-28T18:12:37.939-05:002011-04-28T18:12:37.939-05:00I used to be very involved with GW. But like most ...I used to be very involved with GW. But like most people, I just got tired of their price gouging. Plus I like their sculpts less and less. I like clean, simple minis and they keep forcing crap and equipment I don't want on my minis.<br />Recently I forayed into PP. Though I think their prices are very high, I'll give it a genuine try.JPChapleauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783051524957278979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-64000510260320646272011-04-28T16:52:07.349-05:002011-04-28T16:52:07.349-05:00PP has been huge in the DSM area for about 2 years...PP has been huge in the DSM area for about 2 years now. I still can't get into it myself, kind of like the models, mainly I can't get around the caster kill/end game thing!<br /><br />Its pretty much taken over the WHFB group, and it currently has the largest and most consistant group. But to be fair WHFB is just dead here.<br /><br />And of late on 40k night, Dystopain Wars has been showing up. I liked the look and bought in. So far so good, league for this one starts next week. I'm ok with someone else getting my money for a while - hopeful dystopian wars sticks.<br /><br />I think there is a general boredom/old hatness with GW right now...but I also think they are too entrenched to fail at the moment...Lord Azaghulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027594431581603508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-41496865426757328672011-04-28T16:38:54.474-05:002011-04-28T16:38:54.474-05:00GW seem to have lost their way in so many areas.
J...GW seem to have lost their way in so many areas.<br />JJohn Lambsheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598696442104566164noreply@blogger.com