tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post8305857060029976883..comments2024-01-23T04:05:39.851-06:00Comments on Plastic Legions: Adepticon 2009, Part 3JPLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-20537616163816709222009-04-28T00:29:00.000-05:002009-04-28T00:29:00.000-05:00Some good points in your post! Let's hope the pric...Some good points in your post! Let's hope the price mistake on the empire stuff is actually true.Slicksaucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03541170704369418094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-33448197535167494902009-04-21T13:35:00.000-05:002009-04-21T13:35:00.000-05:00Jason-
LOL!..yes you did!!..I sat down after you ...Jason-<br /><br />LOL!..yes you did!!..I sat down after you guys were already into it...so I never got a chance to introduce myself..then we got distracted and wandered off. You were the one the one guy..I thought to myself..who was that guy??..small world.. yes next year..we must commiserate GW's latest shenanigans at the bar!!JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-9169506018522386732009-04-21T13:18:00.000-05:002009-04-21T13:18:00.000-05:00hey John
Great write ups as always.
I think i may ...hey John<br />Great write ups as always.<br />I think i may have sat down with you (and Elliot Vigil) on the Saturday to moan about the demise of the GT circuit.<br />Hopefully I can actually introduce myself next year!Jason Dyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03953727986944189208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-37403292710274087752009-04-10T09:59:00.000-05:002009-04-10T09:59:00.000-05:00sorry bout that, I didn't go on my laptop yesterda...sorry bout that, I didn't go on my laptop yesterday, playing a lot of resi 5 :D<BR/><BR/>I would definetly give the strongly themed one top points, then give the weakly build, weakly themed one second and the the jack-ass making the entire game terrible for anyone playing him and should be suitibly jeered if he loses last. I always create mine to a theme and very rarley realise if I make it perticularly nasty.<BR/><BR/>Over here in jolly old england we used mostly themed armies and start off with the units we WANT to put in and change it accordingly to put in the units we NEED. It brings a lot of even games seeming as people often include decent units but also broken units (bad ones not stupidly good ones) to keep with a theme, and assuming you belong to a local gaming group with people you know if there list is too competitive they'll change it to make it a little less deadlyPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05498602061207490440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-37727506133934104102009-04-09T14:28:00.000-05:002009-04-09T14:28:00.000-05:00in that case UM and DA...you'd need to be able to ...in that case UM and DA...you'd need to be able to award a good or average score across the board..comp scoring really can't be linear (as we are hypothetically discussing) both well themed armies should be able get a good scores based on each s relative difficultly to the environment..if DA can make a competitive list that's not OTT with an admittedly inferior codex, personally I would give them the slightly better score as Ultra Marines seem more cut and paste<BR/>but honestly I am not familiar enough with either to give you a good comparison you want to talk VC/ Empire..sure.<BR/><BR/>Hey check the forums boards will you I have a question for you.JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-18976108415997782682009-04-09T14:07:00.000-05:002009-04-09T14:07:00.000-05:00Part of being a strong player is knowing that the ...Part of being a strong player is knowing that the uber-builds exist, and having a plan to try to deal with them, whatever your force. I give the guy with the thrown-together army the 1. If there was an option for rating whether or not someone is a netlisting smacktard, I score the Chaos army lower, but I would rather play against a very strong build than a completely half-assed one. <BR/><BR/>Corrollary: Two players- one is using Dark Angels, one is using Ultramarines. Both are extremely well-themed (We'll say Dark Angels 3rd Company, Ultramarines 2nd with Sicarius). Do you score the Ultramarines player worse just because he has a "better" codex?Conspyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14135525348326754627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-47443764304416095212009-04-09T13:23:00.000-05:002009-04-09T13:23:00.000-05:00Although you need to differentiate some what betwe...Although you need to differentiate some what between WFB and 40K when it comes to comp ..I would say...the DA guy is getting a 3...and the difference between the Chaos and Inquistorial list would boil down to appearance and balance...despite not know what he's doing...how does it look?, is there a theme..if its a mish mash..that screams nothing but noob so be it..But in a way that WAAC Chaos list scream noob to me too. A better player will bring a balanced list and try to win with that. I'm not saying shouldn't bring a list comparable to the environment your put in, but always to keep it within the theme of your army. The reason I used the AK-47/ boxing analogy that while I thought of the very analogy you describe it wasn't accurate..some people in WFB Championships brought some list that were so over the top<BR/>Karios, Blue scribes, 2 Tzeentch heralds, 4 blocks of Horrors..3 units of 4 Flamers..AK 47 was the only way to describe it. hell I could have brought 4 cannons and two steam tanks...(there actually was a knucklehead with 4 cannons)<BR/>but would never shame myself in such a manner..I am curious to what Peter thinks give he comes from a different scene..UK.JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-40849726692020227182009-04-09T13:01:00.000-05:002009-04-09T13:01:00.000-05:00Peter-I was having a conversation yesterday about ...Peter-<BR/><BR/>I was having a conversation yesterday about precisely that point. The old GT's (and I believe Adepticon) do actually have separate awards for Best General, which is purely wins/losses (and in the case of Adepticon, the points wager for round 1 seeding), and Best Overall, which takes into account performance, composition, sportsmanship, and painting. Best Overall is more of the "complete hobbyist" sort of award. <BR/><BR/>Here's a puzzle, using 40K forces because i know them better: You have three players in front of you. One is playing a strongly themed, weakly built Dark Angels army. One is playing the classic double-Lash, too many Obliterators Chaos Space Marine army. The third is playing an Inquisition force that is just sort of thrown together, no real cohesion, with one of the weaker codices available. In a 3-2-1 scoring system, who do you give the 1 to? The guy with the win at all costs army, or the guy that doesn't seem to have any damn idea what he's doing?Conspyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14135525348326754627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-78575383064511620482009-04-09T12:09:00.000-05:002009-04-09T12:09:00.000-05:00Most of the conventions that i have been are voule...Most of the conventions that i have been are voulenteer run and they always seem to be the most enthusiastic and well thought out, I agree that GW needs some kind of corporate do all the major events public relations hit team of super stars for getting the public hyped.... im think a PR A-Team.Barjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087321519384602120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-24737304019196560492009-04-09T09:33:00.000-05:002009-04-09T09:33:00.000-05:00I'll agree with Bill about Josh. He is a shriekin...I'll agree with Bill about Josh. He is a shrieking jackass. For some reason GW likes shrieking jackasses. Sadly enough, he was the best regional manager the St. Louis store had before they murdered it.<BR/><BR/>To the downsizing. Ed Spettigue, the head of US Retail is also known as the assassin. Before he crossed the ocean he had no problem depopulating whole stores or even regions in the UK if he didn't like how something was going. That probably accounts for some of the wave of firings going on right now. Also, based on emails and meeting some of them, alot of the upper management for GW in the US are people that I wouldn't normally want to hang around.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05825588070030592216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-4104062736087382912009-04-09T05:40:00.000-05:002009-04-09T05:40:00.000-05:00Although I didn't attend adeticon and I haven't be...Although I didn't attend adeticon and I haven't been to a tournament since I restarted the hobby I can really see what you're going on about here, you could have a soft list, which did avrage in it's games but could win because it scored all of it's comp! that's a bit ridiculous and comp should be toned down a bit or even only used as a Tie-breaker... <BR/><BR/>and there goes 15minutes... I don't mind reading though :PPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05498602061207490440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-81260870446406243742009-04-09T02:30:00.000-05:002009-04-09T02:30:00.000-05:00Hey Bill, actually that was one of the complaints ...Hey Bill, actually that was one of the complaints was that the Championships were becoming the Fantasy Gladiator..the 25 pt comp system was good when combined with the bidding battle point system- people just didn't get it, or didn't care, there way too many OTT lists and then those people didnt bid..thinking they'd get easier match up not dawning on them they people like me would be throwing out "2" and "0"'s out of 25 points on there conp...also believe it or not many of the OTT lists didnt do that well .I know a couple of the very top guys and guy that won best overall had Average comped armies...many OTT's were one trick pony's that veterans could beat problem was once in the basement they got matched up with all gnoblar army and those people were bumming (there wasn't an all gnoblar army, but you get my point)<BR/>BTW Devastation on Friday is the anything goes tourney..No complaints about that, people got what they expected...The issues with the Championship..not sure how they'll handle it next year.<BR/><BR/>Yeah I don't know the Josh guy<BR/>but man!...if you know him and were there you probably would have been laughing your ass off.<BR/><BR/>Felix..there is obligatory mention in WD...but yeah they dont do much..run some demos..sell stuff.JPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12461099993856743894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-36942220263466141852009-04-09T01:28:00.000-05:002009-04-09T01:28:00.000-05:00Does GW even need to do anything for PR at this ev...Does GW even need to do anything for PR at this event? People travel miles to showcase ridiculously awesome stuff and play games with their models. GW folding its arms and letting the volunteers do all the work seems like a good investment of resources to me.Felix Flautahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00645999988674441594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786977598764243863.post-19377321284042277392009-04-09T01:01:00.000-05:002009-04-09T01:01:00.000-05:00It is important to keep in mind that Josh Wimberly...It is important to keep in mind that Josh Wimberly is a shrieking jackass. His job (and Adepticon, actually), exist because of the former owner of the OP Hobbytown. <BR/><BR/>I know that you and I have different views on composition, so I'm not going to try to convince you, but I feel as though your analogy was a little off. To keep the boxing analogy, I think it's less a matter of armament as letting people pick their weight class. They're all in the same sport, but some people choose to sign up for a heavier or lighter class than they should be in. I think there is something wrong with people that the people that sign up for a weight class that they're fifty pounds over. On the other hand, there's also something ot be said for the fact that Adepticon is the premiere event, and there ought to be a place for the heavyweights. If someone wants to bring an all-Gnoblar Ogre Kingdoms army, and then whine about losing, they're a featherweight signing up to box with Ali, and they deserve every black eye they get. Maybe WHFB needs something like the Gladiator or 'Ard Boyz? Personally, I would like to see a format that rewards the very strongest lists <I>available in the codex</I>, as most of the top Gladiator builds require some truly daft armies that don't look anything like a standard force. I think making a differentiation between WHFB Escalation and the Championship might be the way to go, as that way the Championship would truly showcase the best play, painting, and army building, where Escalation rewards strong play in a variety of different army sizes and missions.Conspyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14135525348326754627noreply@blogger.com